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#49 - 07/06/09 07:48 PM Jacket - Help me decide.
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I'm on a limited budget so the following are the only ones that fall within:
400
403
404
405
From the Gehmann website.
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#50 - 07/06/09 09:03 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Wheelz]
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Hello Peter

I would not know however I like the look of the 404 as it has leather and canvas.



How much are they?

If you would like a custom made one www.shootingstuff.co.nz has them for $600 my mate (Greg) got one shot 6 100's in a row after he got it and also won the Marlborough Champs 2009!
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#52 - 07/06/09 09:13 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Smallbore]
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As much as I'd love to, $600 is way outside my budget.
The 404 is $370 which is probably my limit.
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#55 - 07/06/09 10:55 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Wheelz]
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That is a dam good price! you can not go wrong! please take a few pictures when/if you get it! Better not be better than the one I have on order!
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#56 - 08/06/09 06:33 AM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Smallbore]
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Originally Posted By: Danny de Hek
Better not be better than the one I have on order!

I doubt it somehow.
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#254 - 23/06/09 09:14 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Wheelz]
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Shooting Stuff have a few different options.
The one mentioned above is the full leather, but standard jackets are only $270 (Leather/Canvas Mix), and Custom made Leather Canvas Jackets $395, Full Leather Custom $600, as well as Anschutz, Kustermann, Stenvagg Jackets.

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#915 - 29/07/09 05:19 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Nick]
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Well, new jacket should be on my doorstep in the next day or two.
Hope I don't have to experience all your dramas Danny.
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#923 - 29/07/09 06:10 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Wheelz]
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Just make sure you get someone to help you fit the buttons and do the back up.

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#924 - 29/07/09 06:12 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Smallbore]
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Roger that.
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#925 - 29/07/09 06:15 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Wheelz]
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BTW O My God you come out of your shell
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#926 - 29/07/09 06:29 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Smallbore]
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Originally Posted By: Danny
Just make sure you get someone to help you fit the buttons

Check ISSF rules, if my memory serves me right you gotta have a 75mm overlap from button to button hole. While it seems nobody checks it indoors, if you shoot outdoors you will get checked sooner or later, there is a gauge for doing the check and it is done while standing normaly with the arms at the sides.
Some shoot without the buttons at all and I have had my (1 & only) button come undone and continued with little effect on my performance
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#927 - 29/07/09 06:38 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Smallbore]
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BTW O My God you come out of your shell


Don't push it!

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#928 - 29/07/09 06:55 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Wheelz]
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When you are checked just take your jersey off before they test ya! Leon's tip to me! I think it is 100mm
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#929 - 29/07/09 07:19 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Smallbore]
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Originally Posted By: Danny
[When you are checked just take your jersey off before they test ya! Leon's tip to me! I think it is 100mm

All well & done BUT checks are supposed to be done in as you shoot condition, clothing included and any change in that including clothing requires a recheck. Get caught (however slight the chance) changing anything which forms part of that check and suffer the consequences which include disqualification and other disciplinary action the committee & TSNZ think fit,
Scare tactics --- hell yes, I hate cheats, especially sly deliberate cheats.
don't want to put you off, cause people do make un-intentional mistakes but rules are rules and there are consequences for breaking them.


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#930 - 29/07/09 07:28 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Grumpy]
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Thanks Grumpy!

Hey this is the 1st time you sound Grumpy LOL

I think my setup is right would be good to test it as I would hate to be a cheater! However I am good at holding it in!

As we are talking about cheater I hate people who overload and keep there month shut, I wouldn't have the balls to do that! and we would you anyway! only cheating yourself.
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#931 - 29/07/09 07:31 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Smallbore]
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Rach and I have just finished this information about Rotorua http://www.rotorua-accommodation.co.nz/rotorua/ took us 2 days to do it all!

Like it!!
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#932 - 29/07/09 07:40 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Smallbore]
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Originally Posted By: Danny
Thanks Grumpy!
As we are talking about cheater I hate people who overload and keep there month shut, I wouldn't have the balls to do that! and we would you anyway! only cheating yourself.

Didn't want to sound too heavy but I guess you get the idea.
As for overloading well you are supposed to report as they happen but I don't like to disturb other shooters so I usually report at the end of the detail, particularly if it won't impact on the result. Its all about respect for the sport and others competing alongside you wink
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#953 - 30/07/09 01:36 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Grumpy]
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Equipment checks for jackets must be done in full shooting clothes. The jacket must overlap by 100mm. TSNZ owns an ISSF approved tester which is used for this purpose. It pulls the jacket closed with an 8kg pressure so tseting is uniform we currently test all competitors at the TSNZ outdoor nationals with this device. The buttons are then marked by the examiner and the RO / Jury can check at any time. In ISSF world cups etc. testing is now done once only the jacket is tagged with an issf numbered tag and entered in the database. spot checks are done by equipment control at the end of the match

not quite correct in the comment above. The jury will isuue a warning (yellow card) and you have till the end of the match to rectify the violation and get rdechecked by equipment control then you get a deduction of two points for every shot the violation occurs. This is the reason equipment checks are done the day before the match and the shooter can rectify any issues and practise.

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Note I and my fellow judges are quite happy to advise shooters especially when new gear is purcahsed. There are some manufacturers whose gear needs soe tuning (Sauer boots and jackets come to mind)

Testing can also be done with a metal or perspex tester which has a slot for the button and an embedded screw or pin which is 100mm away.



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#955 - 30/07/09 02:23 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Craygee]
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Hi craygee,
Regarding indoor shooting. All the stuff I have read only relates to thickness of padding in mats/jackets. Is there anything else that you know of that I may need to be aware of that could be construed as illegal?
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#956 - 30/07/09 05:22 PM Re: Jacket - Help me decide. [Re: Bullwacka]
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I assume you mean on the equipment side so not really ... you need to read the indoor part of the rule book to obtain more specific info. E.g. there is no specs on blinders but in ISSF there is so if you are making a blinder and going outside then I would make it legal to start with. If you dont shoot outdoor then it doesn't matter. Our Rules are set by TSNZ rule sub committee and conference so dont necessarily follow current ISSF (Jan 2009) unless specifically referred to (outdoor and Air TSNZ rules only)

hope this helps

Perhaps danny can set up another forum page so people can do a Q & A on rules / officiating etc



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