Bad New ammo anyone have this problem??

Last nyt at shooting my dad, Keith opened up a brand new pack of ammo and there were 5 rounds missing! In a new pack! thats really bad any one else had any trouble?

I shot with Eley Black but have not had any of the new black yet!

No problem with this ammo, have shoot my PB single card (100.9) with this stuff and a best Champ score only dropping one shot over the 3 card match at Marl last W/E.

I brought a brick the other day and three of the ten blocks were from a different batch. Seven were 1050, three 1071.

Who did ya get it from?

If that was Ely you were talking about the numbers you quote is the speed it was tested & shown to produce in the factory. The batch No forms part of the number printed above that. However the Batch is obviousley different and I have seen ely mix the batches in a case before but in a brick? thats a new one on me and I beleive it is not cricket because most people really want to stick to the same batch and speed in that order, as we all know our rifle will perform differently with different batchs & speeds and some are really tempramental about this. Thats why I always try to buy the same batch, preferably by the case and when I get the oppertunatey I will tune the rifle to that ammo which unfortunately I haven't been able to do for a wee while.
Cheers

I normally used to play with different torque settings on the action screws, I have been told that different settings between the front & rear screws can also make a difference. Since I have had my FWB I have not done this so much. The FWB has a tuning device in the stock under the barrel. The device consists of a block with a rubber "O" ring which contacts the barrel, tuning is achieved by sliding the block assy forward or back along the channel in the stock until the best group is acheived, this is best done in a bench vice rig so as to eliminate the human factor.
I'm interested that you think that measuring the weight of your cartriges may help with consistancy, as is eluded to, the powder is but one component which will effect the weight of the cartrige, consider priming, cases, lubricant, projectiles etc.
One thing I used to do when I used to shoot with Lapua & SK ammo was to measure the rim thickness for consistancy. A variation in rim thicknes will cause a variation in head space of the closed action thus a detrimental effect on accuracy. I found at the time that the rim thickness could vary as much as 0.010" and I would sort the cartridges into like thicknesses and keep them in their various groups when shooting. I still have my gauge and recently conducted an experiment on some Ely amo of various dates of manufacture (all since they have given the test velocity) and was pleasantly surprised to find that there was very little variation, 0.001" to 0.002" centered arround 0.035" if my memory serves me right
cheers

I'm with you Gordon.
I also use Lapua and have found the odd round (so far 1 in 500)will blow out to a 6 feeling as sweet as the preceeding 10's.
Feel confident until looking through the scope...."What? Where the hell did that come from?"
Would love to have known if there was a weight difference with that one.

Last night I had my 1st miss fire using Elly Match (Black speed 1068) the pin had a good hit on it but did not fire.

I have used Eley Match (1007-03295 1068) for about 15,000 rounds and have had two bad bullets one that Miss Fired and today another that wouldn't fit into the barrel the lead was also not connected to the cartridge and you could more it around!

So from now on I am checking every bullet NOT that I should need two! it is not the cheapest Ammo.

So do we get Eley Match seconds in New Zealand

I have two more bricks and then I looking for new ammo what should I use?

2 rounds in 15,000?????? aint too bad, At least they didn't leave the barrel and cause you to loose 10.1 points. Please don't take this as a criticism but when you've shot that many rounds of another brand and grade without fault then you will be better qualified to comment.
BTW saw VW had shot 100.10 in practice the other night at the club, the target is pinned up on the notice board, he also shot another a few years ago, The target is framed and hanging in the club as inspiration for others, all with Ely Match.
I have used SK and Lapua (both made in the same German factory at that time I beleive), but both have changed their specs since and found I that I had to ensure that the rifle was cleaned with a dry rag to get rid of the soot after each days shooting, which if left would harden between uses and effect the acuracy and was much more difficult to clean out.
There are lots of manufacturers out there and one other brand which may be available south of CHCH is fiocci, Lyndsay Smith might be able to point you in the right direction. RWS is another that was supplied by TSNZ for a while and there may still be some stocks about, check with Potts.
There was a company, Belmont ammunition I think, in Wanganui (no H), that sold Lapua where I have bought Lapua Master but as I said the specs have changed.
Apart from one round having the problem as you discribed above and another splitting around the rim(for which I got a ten at 50m & a big fright), I have had very few problems with Ely in the 14 years I have been shooting smallbore. I shoot around 4 to 5,000 rounds per year.
In the last three years I have overloaded, crossfired and pulled more shots than I care to remember, put into perspective, 2 outa 15,000 aint too bad in my book. Be interesting to know what problems others have had with other brands etc.
Choice of champions? My confidence has not been deminished by my experiences and a quick look at the Ely web sight will back up their claims albeit with 10x.
Well thats my 2 penneys worth and I say again this is not meant as a criticism, just an opinion.
Cheers Grumpy B

Never would take it as a criticism I value what shooters say! special ones that have been shooting for more than 12 months!!

I have had 2 bad bullets in 24 hours as maybe it is the bach.

And Phillie had 5 missing from her new ammo box, Cheers for your comment, I would feel baaad if I offended but felt I should post something in the interest of fair balance

I use Lapua Magazine and out of 1000rnds I've found it to be pretty consistent (more consistent than me) and I've had 2 shots that I've not been happy with that went out to a 6 without explanation. It would be very prideful of me to state that it was definitely the ammo, but my feeling is that it was as one usually knows when one shoots a 6. They both felt more like 10's.
BTW. Belmont Ammunition is still there.
And at $70/500 I'm happy to continue with it.

This is very interesting and it looks like things need to be looked at better when this ammo is getting produced, it takes long enough to come into the country why are we getting second grade standard ammo and paying a fair fortune for it?

In suport of Ely, I just found this on their web sight

A medal winning season for ELEY, winnng 45 World Cup medals
22 Jun 2009


ELEY has once again confirmed its status as the choice of champions after picking up a staggering 45 medals at the four stages of the 2009 ISSF World Cup Competition, with its premier cartridge Tenex dominating the podiums.

The medal haul included all 12 Prone medals - a repeat of 2007, which is testament to the consistent accuracy of ELEY Tenex at 50m. With some fantastic performances and high scores posted with “deep tens” in the 10 shot finals, the renowned red box Tenex was the trusted brand by the World’s best Prone shooters once again this year.

With continuous improvements and investment in manufacturing systems, ELEY is driving up the accuracy threshold to produce technically superior ammunition, which is delivering medal winning performances as these results show:

45 2009 ISSF World Cup Medals
12/12 Prone Medals
16 Gold Medals
86% of Rifle Medals
14 Pistol Medals including 4 Rapid Fire

Take a look for your self here http://www.eley.co.uk/news/news-articles...cup-medals.aspx

Cheers, Grumpy

And to provide a bit of balance, take a look at the Lapua web sight here http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=893
And also the SK brand of ammo can be found here http://www.lapua-gmbh.de It is a subsidary of the Nammo group which also makes Lapua. Wolf ammo from what I can make out is a branded version of SK re- branded for the american market

Once my current lot of ammo is gone, end of this season. I think I will go to a higher grade of ammo next season.
Either try the top of the Lapua range "Midas" or go to tenex. I think it will be worth it.
I would only use 2000 maximum. It's not like I've got my own range and would go through 10000 rounds...

Let have some Polls!!