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#1143 - 11/08/09 11:25 AM World cup Athens 2004
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Check out guy about 6min into clip, could you get any lower??
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#1144 - 11/08/09 12:43 PM Re: World cup Athens 2004 [Re: Environs]
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That would be a NO you could not get any lower!
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#1170 - 12/08/09 11:36 AM Re: World cup Athens 2004 [Re: Smallbore]
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Looks like he's the guy that won as well...Go low boys.
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#1173 - 12/08/09 06:40 PM Re: World cup Athens 2004 [Re: Bullwacka]
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see how they have tv screens instead of scopes. we were thinking about getting that for our range
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#1174 - 12/08/09 07:01 PM Re: World cup Athens 2004 [Re: Phil Bell]
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PhilBell, those tv screens are actually part of the scoring system. The apparent targets are actually black holes that the shooters shoot at. There are microphones in each corner of the target frame and they listen for the bullets passing through that hole and from the sound that is picked up by each microphone the shot placement is calculated and displayed on the monitor. cool
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#1186 - 13/08/09 04:54 PM Re: World cup Athens 2004 [Re: Grumpy]
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oh ok cool! i didnt know that!
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#1217 - 18/08/09 06:33 PM Re: World cup Athens 2004 [Re: Phil Bell]
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I can't wait for Sydney to use the electronic targets myself!

And if you think you can't get lower than that, come down to our club and watch Val shoot, he starts that low and gets lower as he goes!

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#1224 - 18/08/09 09:48 PM Re: World cup Athens 2004 [Re: Fluffy]
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How does he do that and still maintain the min 30 Deg angle of the forearm to the floor? Environs
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#1228 - 19/08/09 03:24 PM Re: World cup Athens 2004 [Re: Environs]
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There will be a Fullbore rifle range in the Hawkes Bay that will be having electronic targets, I heard the cost in the range of $10k Each.
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#1229 - 19/08/09 05:10 PM Re: World cup Athens 2004 [Re: FingerZ]
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There will be a Fullbore rifle range in the Hawkes Bay that will be having electronic targets, I heard the cost in the range of $10k Each.

Otorohanga Fullboreclub has plans for two some time soon. The Fullbore ones are a bit different in that you can up to 5 shooters on the one target. It works out the angle of tragectory so knows which shot came from which mound. Cool stuff.
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#1230 - 19/08/09 06:07 PM Re: World cup Athens 2004 [Re: Environs]
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Now that's cool!
Hope they don't introduce it to indoor. There's something about holding your piece of card and admiring those 10.1's. Or being able to vent by tearing it up! whistle
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#1231 - 19/08/09 06:55 PM Re: World cup Athens 2004 [Re: Wheelz]
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Yes but the officials would be able to detect if the correct number of shoots were fired instead of guessing where or if a perfect overload was fired as one shooter claimed without success over the weekend.


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#1253 - 20/08/09 05:25 PM Re: World cup Athens 2004 [Re: Grumpy]
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The Suis-Ascor system as used in Sydney works this way: The shooter fires the shot and as it passes over a microphone on the mound it "turns" the machine on. The sensors pick up the shot at the target end and gives a value based on its X Y co=ordinate. At the back is a rubber belt and 1M or so further back a backing card where the shot passes through and both are used by the jury for verification.

The machine takes around 300ms to process the shot. Its output is resgistered on the control computer with time of shot, X Y values, shot value and total. The only way a crossfire could be calculated is if two shooters fire at near to same time at the same machine so one machine does not "see" the resultant shot and the "crossfired machine will process two shots. What will happen then is two shots are registered and the worst one will be deleted by the classification jury. The pattern of the shooters match will be seen on the control computer if two shots are registered within 300ms or so of each other then one is obviously a stray shot as no-one can shoot that quickly. I have not seen thsi happen but saw a printout on our ISSF course that shows what happens and what we do

Another ting that can happen is the rubber or paper belt stops which affects the processing capability of the sensors. The hole gets too big and affects the calculation. The belt scrolls through at about 20mm per sec or so so at the end of the shoot you get 60 or so holes on a long strip. This can also be used by the Jury to calculate the shot value manually using graph paper and basic trig.

The only thing you can hold is is a printout the size of a supermarket docket.

In a final similar thing except the mode from sighter to match is set by the control room and the data is output on a ranking scoreboard in addition to the shooters monitor and lane scoreboard. The system can also automatically determine shootoffs

for the fullbore targets there must be some sort of indicator to tell which shooter is to shoot probably under control of the cro. Interesting to see one when they install them.


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